Editorial Reviews. From Publishers Weekly. A former submarine commander in Britain’s Royal Navy, Menzies must enjoy doing battle. The amateur historian’s. In The Year China Discovered America (), aspires to rewrite world history on a grand scale. He maintains that Gavin Menzies)four Chinese fleets. On 3/8/, the largest fleet the world had ever seen set sail from China. by Gavin Menzies by Gavin Menzies The Devil in the White City by Erik.

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Preview — by Gavin Menzies. The great ships were left to rot at their moorings. Most records of their journeys were destroyed.

Unveiling incontrovertible evidence of these astonishing voyages, “” rewrites our understanding of history. Our knowledge of world exploration as it’s been commonly accepted for centuries must now be reconceived due to this landmark work of historical investigation.

Paperbackpages. To see what your friends thought of this book, please sign up. To ask other readers questions aboutplease sign up. What genre is menziies book? Lists with This Book. Jul 07, Andrew rated it did not like it Recommends it for: Recommended to Andrew by: There are books that break new ground with bombshell research and there are books that spellbind us with the skill of their deception.

This book is the latter. Menzies takes a tremendous dump on the sensibilities of his readers, bombarding us with outrageous claims backed up with erroneous facts and arrogant speculation. A typical “fact” presented by Menzies is introduced with “By this point I was sure He claims he knows the exact date that the the Fleet passed certain islands in the Caribbean due to their haphazard presence and occurrence on later European charts the absence of the moon excuses when these oddly shaped islands memzies misrepresented or missed on the charts.

Then he will wax appreciatively about how precise Chinese navigators and cartographers were, attributing stone structures Menzies’ alleged observation decks all menzjes the globe to Chinese astronomical prowess and their desire mfnzies properly construct latitude and longitude by measuring eclipses all across the globe.

Of course, the Chinese never bothered to go back to these places to collect the results. Nor did they return to the dozens of colonies they set up everywhere from South America to Massachusetts to Gympie, Australia. Nor did they return to collect the fruits of the mines they set up all over the world.

Menzies will say that this is because of the isolationist policy China soon after adopted. But if you really think about, ggavin if you read later editions’ postscripts and visit his website – you will soon realize that he is trying to collect all of the unaccountables and unexplainables of history and wrap them up in a flimsy and manipulative description of a massive journey and colonization campaign that most likely never even happened.

This book is the nadir of pop history, and, sadly, it shows how dedicated jenzies have been stretching history to their own means for centuries – mix your audience’s curiosity and ignorance with a fantastical proposition and then support it with smart and thorough sounding explanations based on baseless facts, and then sit back and let their imagination take hold. It may be added that the HMS Rorqual, the submarine that Menzies briefly commanded, experienced its only collision under his steerage.

So much for his great navigational deductions. Jun 28, Christopher rated it did not like it. From time to time, this reviewer comes across a publication so crackpot that I gxvin know where to start in reviewing it here.

I’m happy to see that Gavin Menzies’ thesis in The Year China Discovered America, that a Chinese fleet launched inembarked on a tour around the world, discovering all major points before Europeans and leaving artifacts, has already been generally debunked by numerous sources. Perhaps the most substantial is Robert Finlay’s review “How Not to Re Write World From time to time, this reviewer comes across a publication so crackpot that I hardly know where to start in reviewing it here.


Gavin Menzies and the Chinese Discovery of America” in the Journal of World History, Junewhere Finlay shows that there are no “lost years” in Ming dynasty sailing, and so Menzies’ book is completely without foundation.

My fellow reviewers here have also offered some important critiques. I would like to offer a perspective from my own individual profession, linguistics. Menzies writes, for example: Stephen Powers, a nineteenth-century inspector employed by the government of California to survey the native population, found linguistic evidence of a Chinese-speaking colony in the state.

The second, however, is cited to an 19th-century bit of scholarship evidentally done without appropriate field methods. He goes on to claim that Chinese sailors shipwrecked on the East Coast of the United States would have been able to communicate with locals, as these would have included Chinese who had walked over the Bering Strait.

Chinese walk across to Alaska and across all North America, but menziws up speaking Middle Chinese, and yet leave no trace of this dialect on neighbouring Native American languages? There’s even an assertion that Navajo elders understand Chinese conversation, and an assertion that the Peruvian village name Chanchan must be Chinese because it sounds at least to him like “Canton”.

Perhaps the silliest Peruvian connection is between Chinese “qipu” and Quechua “quipu”; Menzies seemingly doesn’t understand that “q” represents a completely different sound in each language. So, I hope that the reader with some training in linguistics can see what kind of arguments are used in the book, and beware accordingly.

If I may be permitted one final indulgence, I should like to protest Menzies’ weird view of Chinese culture.

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He blasts European explorers for committing genocide, claiming that continued Chinese expansion would have led instead to a world of peace and Confucian harmony. This is the naive romantic view of the Orient held by a child flipping through National Geographic. A man meznies Menzies’ age and experience should have realized that all civilizations have it within them to commit do in indigenous peoples–the marginalization of Tibetan and Uighur language and culture and the disappearance ,enzies of a distinct Manchu people stand as proof that the Chinese are no exception.

Mar 25, Jason Koivu rated it really liked it Shelves: Sure has plenty of hearsay and conjecture, and some entertaining theories put forth by Menzies, most of which can’t be backed up with factual evidence at this time.

Obviously by reading the subtitle Menziess was on the forefront of invention once upon a time. Gunpowder is one example. But shifting firmly entrenched belief that old European explorers were first to the Americas ta 141 has plenty of hearsay and conjecture, and some entertaining theories put forth by Menzies, most of which can’t be backed up with factual evidence at this time.

But shifting firmly entrenched belief that old European explorers were first to the 14421 takes some imaginative thinking. We know that the impressive China fleet of the s sailed to the Middle East and Africa, but did they turn around and hit up the Americas at some point?

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Certainly the natives Inuit all the way down to South America have a certain Asian look to them, but the Bering Strait land-bridge theory already covers that. There’s just not enough evidence to prove otherwise.

I don’t care who gets credit in the history books for discovering this, that or the other thing. I would like to see us humans get it right though, and unfortunately Menzies can’t prove his theories. Aside from that though, his book is an intriguing good read filled with fun ideas and adventure.

Aug 29, Joe rated it liked it Shelves: Hoo boy, what can I say. This book is heavily mired in controversy, and here’s why. First, it makes an extraordinary claim: Second, since much of this hasn’t been sufficiently researched, it doesn’t have the goods to back a lot of it up. All it has is an extremel Hoo boy, what can I say.


All it has is an extremely interesting hodge-podge of facts, figures, intriguing maps, unexplored wrecks and spotty journal entries most of the accounts of the voyage were destroyed when the explorers returned home to find that the Empire had turned inwards.

It reads like an historical mystery novel, which is sort of what it is. For something that may be a completely fake history, it’s sure entertaining.

It certainly has some questions that “the standard model” does not answer; incredibly accurate maps that appear to predate the discovery of their contents by people who knew how to make maps; sunken wrecks where and when there shouldn’t be; evidence of Chinese-Mayan trade and cultural exchange; anecdotal accounts of a Chinese colony in Greenland; etc.

Menzies, being an ex-sailor himself, knows a lot about sailing and brings the voyage to life, an impressive feat given that we know virtually nothing about anyone who was on it. He just doesn’t succeed in bringing it to reality. Too little is known, much rests on conjecture and indeed many of Menzies’ theories have been debunked since it was written.

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My own environmental studies professor at Grinnell College pretty much discredited the whole Caribbean argument. Several other pieces of evidence have been shot down as well, from all I’ve read, and many of the maps and wrecks are not what they seem.

Some, like an astounding map of Greenland that turned up in the back of someone’s car, may even be forgeries. But that, I think, is the point.

This book is not designed to prove that this voyage really did all that he thinks it did. It is a menzles. There is a lot of scattered evidence for the theory, and it needs to be investigated, because memzies it were true it would be mensies. The book is basically an opening salvo in an argument that is complex enough that it will likely take years to sort out. A lot of ships have be dug up from the ocean floor, for starters.

Most or all of that argument may prove to be bunk, but that’s the nature of history. Point is, read this for fun, read for curiosity, but read with a skeptical eye, is all.

You might have gavun certain relative in your family who is affable enough, but has some really weird ideas that he loves to go on menxies. For the sake of this review, let’s call him “Uncle Gavin.

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,enzies you know it, he’s started asking your friends who they think discovered the world and after a short time, the friend’s nods and smiles go from sincerely interested to polite to barely h You might have that certain relative in your family who is affable enough, but has some really weird ideas that gavim loves to go on about.

Before you know it, he’s started asking your friends who they think discovered the world and after a short time, the friend’s nods and smiles go from sincerely interested to polite to barely hanging on, and they’re looking around desperately for someone to rescue them from this conversation. Uncle Gavin wrote this book. His premise sounds interesting, and perhaps sane, if far-fetched: Why this has been a hidden fact for so long: Why Uncle Gavin is the only person to have figured this out: I’ll let that sink in for a moment.